I posted this in another thread, but it fits here also.
Less lanes have an advantage that people might not realize. Increasing the number of boys winning a race. A derby day is greatly more enjoyable if a boy win's a single race, then if they race several times and don't win any. The less lanes, mean the the less boys competing each race, thus a boy has a higher chance of winning at least one race.
Lets assume you have a group of 12 boys, and each boy races in each lane once for this example. That works out to 12 races, regardless if it is a 6,5,4,3, or 2 lane track. I will look at the PPN charts from the Cory Young charts, and use a simplistic assumption that car 1 beats car 2, car 2 beats car 3, etc. And count the number of unique winners using each track configuration. Answers:
2 lanes, each boy racing 2 times, 7 out of 12 boys wins at least one race.
3 lanes, each boy racing 3 times, 7 out of 12 boys wins at least one race.
4 lanes, each boy racing 4 times, 6 out of 12 boys wins at least one race.
5 lanes, each boy racing 5 times, 5 out of 12 boys wins at least one race.
6 lanes, each boy racing 6 times, 3 out of 12 boys wins at least one race.
These numbers are not always going to work out to the same number for actual races, but I think they demonstrate the concept. (Also, We would likely have more than 12 races for a rank, but ) The general conclusion is:
In the same number of races, more lanes means more races per boys, but the number of boys who win at least one race decreases.
We want more people to have the thrill of winning a race, not just a few. At a pack level race, this is probably important. And more racing isn't = to more fun for the kids who aren't bring home a top 3 finish. I am sure some parents might not believe this, but that is the case.
By using 6 lane track versus a 3 lane track, most of us would initially think that that means the boys race more, and thus the number of boys winning a race would have to increase, but because of a closed field, the opposite is true.
-Rob
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Interesting observations.
The analysis is flawed in that a different speed distribution among participants does not necessarily yield the same counts.
None-the-less, on the same basis of comparison and using 13-car Young & Pope charts (from PPN Generator), there is a bit of a shift.
Lanes Winners-1 round Winners-2 rounds
2 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8
3 . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9
4 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
The interesting difference is that the number of racers winning at least one race peaks for 3-at-a-time racing rather than 2-at-a-time.
BTW, I never run a 12 car chart. If I have 12 cars, I run a 13 car chart with a bye... it is more accurate!
The analysis is flawed in that a different speed distribution among participants does not necessarily yield the same counts.
None-the-less, on the same basis of comparison and using 13-car Young & Pope charts (from PPN Generator), there is a bit of a shift.
Lanes Winners-1 round Winners-2 rounds
2 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8
3 . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9
4 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
The interesting difference is that the number of racers winning at least one race peaks for 3-at-a-time racing rather than 2-at-a-time.
BTW, I never run a 12 car chart. If I have 12 cars, I run a 13 car chart with a bye... it is more accurate!
Stan
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Re: Why Less is More.
Stan,
Thanks for the confirmation. I was fairly sure that those numbers would change if we mixed up the distribution of cars. Add some staging error and track bias, the numbers would change again.
We use a 6 lane track, and and race by rank. I know that I have seen that you don't like any more than a 4 lane track. That we typically have between 10-25 boys in each rank, using all 6 lanes might produce two few of winners, and two many disappointed boys. (For a large council event of winners racing against winners, the criteria of increasing the number of winners might not be as important.)
I do think for scheduling methods, a criteria should be the following (not ranked):
1. Accuracy of top 3
2. Perceived Fairness
3. High Min Number of Races per boy
4. High Number of Boys winning a race.
5. Pace of Races
Thanks for the confirmation. I was fairly sure that those numbers would change if we mixed up the distribution of cars. Add some staging error and track bias, the numbers would change again.
We use a 6 lane track, and and race by rank. I know that I have seen that you don't like any more than a 4 lane track. That we typically have between 10-25 boys in each rank, using all 6 lanes might produce two few of winners, and two many disappointed boys. (For a large council event of winners racing against winners, the criteria of increasing the number of winners might not be as important.)
I do think for scheduling methods, a criteria should be the following (not ranked):
1. Accuracy of top 3
2. Perceived Fairness
3. High Min Number of Races per boy
4. High Number of Boys winning a race.
5. Pace of Races
Fun for one, Fun for all.
Rob D
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Re: Why Less is More.
Nice list. Here are some changes that I'd suggest:MathGuy wrote:I do think for scheduling methods, a criteria should be the following (not ranked):
1. Accuracy of top 3 *
2. Perceived Fairness
3. High Min Number of Races per boy **
4. High Number of Boys winning a race.
5. Pace of Races
* Accuracy in trophy / recognition awards. (If you are giving trophies for first thru sixth, then the method should award each of them with reasonable accuracy.)
At most, the method should make only very general speed rankings toward the bottom of the speed list! Uncertainty at the bottom of the pile is good. It is good for the method to say, "Johnny had the fastest racer!" The method should not say, "Jimmy had the slowest racer!" (unless being the slowest is the goal of the races.)
** The method should not make it awkward for a racer to withdraw if he decides that he is racing a pig.
These last two paragraphs are a particular strength of Multiple Elimination-No Chart. They are also supported by two-stage PPN/PN or Stearns/PN racing in which the preliminary stage seeks to select a group of racers for the finals which has high confidence of including the N fastest. (N = number of trophy places.)
Stan
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