I am absolutely horrible at building anything and have had two nightmare races so far with my son. I want him to do well in his race, but I also want him to finish the race as the last two years he didn't (my fault). I am hoping that the third year is the charm as they say. We have his car built and it currently is weighing in at 4.9 ounces (on our scale). I am terrified that the scale they use may be .2 ounces off throwing us into the over weight category. I am considering removing .1 ounce of weights so the car weighs at 4.8 ounces giving us some leeway. I'm not going to be able to get to the weights after the wheels are put on (I know, I'm not good at this). I have heard that cars that weigh 5 ounces are going to win. Is there really much difference between 4.8 and 5 ounces?
I obviously want him to win, but I will be devastated if he cannot race at all due to my stupidity think that 4.9 ounces is good. I'm not so sure I trust other scales.
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1) Go at 5oz, and if you're overweight at the weigh-in, take off a little weight. You can bring a cordless drill and drill a little wood out of the bottom, for example. Doesn't take much to lose 0.1 ounces.
2) Go in underweight and bring some "trim" weight to the weigh-in. If you come in underweight, add a little lead tape or tungsten putty.
Almost all Derby weigh-ins will let you adjust before committing the final weight.
For what it is worth, .01oz is probably not going to make a difference in performance. Ask Scrollsawer about the 4.5oz hotdog.
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Weight is important, but is not the "be all and end all". Get close.
More important, polish the axles and get the alignment true. There are several ways to handle alignment ... drilling true holes and using ultra-straight axles and twisting slightly bent axles. Since you are probably already committed to where and how the axles attach to the car, you may be left with using slightly bent axles. If you don't find info you need by searching Derby Talk, check pages at Measuring the Bend Angle of Bent Axles and Aligning Rear Axles, New 2013. Look about in Derby Talk regarding how to treat the dominant front wheel so that it follows the rail and helps keep the rears off the rail.
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I don't know much about your 'build details', so hard to offer specifric advice. Here's the stuff to consider:
Is your current weight in/on the car easily removeable and easily 'put-back-on-able'? (i invented a new word!)
Come to 'weigh-in' at 4.85 ounces as measured by your digital scale. Bring a variety of weighting options (coins, fishing weights, etc.) or other incremental weights that you have easy access to. and some Crazy Glue to help stick it all on the car. Use small amounts of weight without glue on the official Derby scales, and when you're at 4.98 - 4.99, call it a day, and then glue the weight on with crazy glue AFTER you've come to a weighting agreement with the race inspectors.
As insurance, bring a drill with a 1/4" drill bit to the weigh-in, and if things go wrong on the high side after the final weigh-in, then (and only then) should you consider drilling into the car to remove weight. It's an option of last resort on a car that you both have worked so hard on.
There are a LOT of folks here on DT that would be very happy to give you 'tuning tips and advice' that could assist you and your son (that would be applicable at this stage of your build). Perhaps you can elaborate on the car's design, weighting, etc., and even upload a pic. or two to the site for us to see it, and make some recommendations?
In the grand scheme of things for speed there are plenty of 4.9oz cars that beat 5.0oz cars. If you spent some work de-burring the axles and polishing them your kid will be in the mix. That is pretty much the biggest gain in speed you can do, other then making sure the weight is in the rear and not the front. Do your rules allow for only 3 wheels touching and axle canting? Have you looked into setting up the car for rail running?